Bernie Borges [00:00:00]:
Chris Bjorling. Welcome to the Midlife Fulfilled podcast, a vulnerable conversation episode.
Chris Bjorling [00:00:06]:
Hey, Bernie, thank you so much. It’s been fun getting to talk to you and meet you over the last several weeks. This is great. I look forward to just sit back and chatting with you.
Bernie Borges [00:00:16]:
Sitting back and chatting. In fact, that’s what vulnerable conversations are all about. Let me tee up just a little bit of an introduction for you. Chris, I know that you are a very successful business person. You have led a company called Fidello for, oh, just a mere 38 years. So you’ve been doing it just a little while. And Fidello is all about crafting custom talent management solutions. And over the 38 years, you’ve worked with numerous brands, we could probably take a half hour just listing them all, but we’re not going to do that.
Bernie Borges [00:00:51]:
I also know, Chris, even though I haven’t known you very long, that you’re much more than just a business executive. You have a passion for the Cub Scouts, you have a passion for your church, and you have a passion for your work as well. And so let’s have a conversation about one of my favorite pillars, legacy, and how you are focused on your legacy across those three areas of your life. Work, Boy Scouts, and church. Where would you like to begin?
Chris Bjorling [00:01:21]:
You know, it’s been one of those things that years ago, I got to listen to a speaker, and he was spectacular. He talked about making your vocation, your job, your avocation, your love. And, you know, that’s an interesting twist and a different piece for me as I started through it, because there was a lot of tactical early. But then as I continued to grow through my career and things, it kind of nested. It kind of said, you know, these things all merged together. What you’re doing with clients is the same thing. You can help with Boy Scouts, whether it’s with a young man and we now young women that. That are in.
Chris Bjorling [00:02:00]:
In the program or leaders, you know, as well as then in church settings, like, how can you use the talents that you’ve been gifted with and move forward? And so that process of that avocation across these three bands really has been kind of a life force for me since I went through that conversation or heard that speaker.
Bernie Borges [00:02:20]:
Okay, so I’m gonna. I’m gonna key off something you just said. You know, you said, use the talents you’ve been given. So over the decades, because you and I are probably around the same age, give or take. And so over the decades, have you discerned how you deploy those skills and talents that you have been given.
Chris Bjorling [00:02:40]:
Well, you know, I think it’s inherent to most anything I have to do now. Okay. I think it’s something that. Because we’re of that similar age, which is more than probably midlife or let’s think of it as midlife. I. I should rephrase my frame on that. So, you know, as we. As we look at it, it’s kind of become second nature just to kind of bring these pieces in together.
Chris Bjorling [00:03:03]:
And it’s always focusing on the individual, whether it’s an individual company or a person or an organization or, you know, whatever. Regardless of where the setting is, how can I be of influence to that individual? How can I share those experiences that I’ve had? Oftentimes we’re talking because there’s a need. Okay? Whether it’s a need in a business environment or whether it’s a need for helping a youth, you know, achieve a merit badge or move them forward that way, or just helping people at church, you know, when you’re. When you’re talking and working within a congregation or with. With people along those lines, there’s often a need, and sometimes that need is just smiling at somebody, you know, so I’m kind of jovial. I think life’s too short, that we can’t be serious all the time, regardless of the setting we’re in. Right. Even in a work.
Chris Bjorling [00:03:56]:
So how do we move forward in a happy way, moving it to the next level for each of those scenarios? Because the reality to me comes back to one of the passions I’ve had. And you kind of put this in the intro for the workspace was creating custom solutions, you know, and we joke beforehand. One size does not fit all. So if you go to my website at some point in time, you’ll see that phrase there. Or if you find some articles on me online, you’ll. You’ll see I. I quote that. Because my point is that helping somebody is not the same as helping the next person.
Chris Bjorling [00:04:31]:
Okay? Helping an organization is not the same as helping the next organization. There are variables that are out there. There are things that are different. And so that’s where I love it now, in my experience, you know, I’ll sit there and position specifically for church and think, wow, you know, 25 years ago, I could not be in this chair. 25 years ago, I could not be helping an organization this. This congregation or whatever, because I didn’t know enough. You know, I didn’t have the right empathy levels. I didn’t have the right understandings.
Chris Bjorling [00:05:05]:
And so when you look at A legacy concept. It’s, you know, you build to a crescendo, I think over time when you, when you start going through these pieces and you start to realize, if you can realize. And that may be one of the things people don’t, they compartmentalize too much. But when you realize that your experience in one environment may be perfect for the next environment.
Bernie Borges [00:05:26]:
You know, when I was developing my five pillar framework, I developed the first four health, fitness, career, relationships, and I knew there was another one and I kind of got stuck. And then it came to me. It came to me. And the way that it came to me was not initially with the word legacy. The way that it came to me was how do you want to be remembered at your funeral? And that’s how I answer the question when someone asks me, what do you mean by legacy? And I answer it that way, like, how do you want to be remembered at your funeral? And these days, I’m sure I don’t have to tell you, Chris, a funeral is both virtual and physical, meaning people physically show up who are in the area or perhaps travel to it. But people also zoom in or dial in virtually from wherever. And oftentimes it’s people from different parts of life. So I’d love for you to reflect on that.
Bernie Borges [00:06:24]:
I mean, how many different parts of your life are going to be in attendance at your funeral?
Chris Bjorling [00:06:30]:
Great question. First of all, I’ve thought this one out before and I plan to do my own eulogy. I’m going to record it while I still am mentally capable and give it that way. That way I understand what’s being said after I die. Right. So, so, but yeah, when you, when you ask that question, that’s a great question. So I’m going to have people, you know, I was at a 40th reunion, high school reunion a few years ago and my old chemistry partner said, Chris, you’ve changed. You know, and it’s like I wasn’t the shy.
Chris Bjorling [00:06:59]:
Well, first of all, I wasn’t the skinny, you know, blonde headed guy, right. One, but two, you know, I wasn’t the shy guy that was just kind of there, right. And so I’ve been able to break out of some, some paradigms that existed when I was younger. Right. So you’re going to have some of those crowds that, hey, knew me when, at this stage, you know, at that end there. And so they may come and they may hear the different sets of stories, hopefully, you know, about, about me when, you know, I was at different aspects of life. And then you’re going to get the family, friends, and they’re going to come in, they’re going to know, and they’re going to be grateful that I’m dead. No, I’m just kidding.
Chris Bjorling [00:07:40]:
They’re going to come in and, you know, they’re going to have that moment, you know, like, oh, I remember when. When this happened or that happened, or he did this for me or I did this for him. And, you know, I think one of the things we didn’t mention in my intro is I have seven children, so, you know, five of those are married, and we have seven grandchildren. Eighth on the way here momentarily, and we’ll have more as that goes along. But, you know, so you’re gonna have the. The friends there. And each one of my kids is going to have a different story because, you know, uniquely, this is one of the things that I figured out early in my career of having kids was that they’re all different. You know, I had to teach them differently, how to, you know, talk to them differently.
Chris Bjorling [00:08:19]:
I had to work with them differently. They were all unique in that. In that space. And so they’re going to have stories with their friends. They’re going to have stories amongst each other, you know, when they’re there. And then, you know, I may have some work associates there, you know, some people that worked with me through just work, work. But also, I know I also have a lot of people that worked with me through church and through Scouts. And so they’re all going to have a different flavor of this is that angle side that we saw of Chris Bjarland.
Chris Bjorling [00:08:50]:
Okay. But inside of that, I’m hoping that they all saw something of value that I was able to help them with in their lives. You know, sometimes it’s that humor, it’s that smile like I referenced earlier. You know, sometimes it’s just that, you know, opportunity to have pulled them aside and. And worked with them on some special project that they needed or given them some advice that I was able to provide because of my past life experiences, you know, along those ways. So I’m. I hope it, A, it’s fun, it’s a good time for them to. To reflect upon their experience with me.
Chris Bjorling [00:09:28]:
But B, I really hope that, you know, in my world, I’ve impacted them uniquely different and that they’ll see. Wow, that was cool. Somebody else got touched, but it was this way versus that way. So. That’s a great question. Thank you.
Bernie Borges [00:09:42]:
Okay. All right. So, you know, where I want to go next is you reminded me that when I developed these Five pillars as my platform, Initially, they were for individuals to embrace. You know, I say that I want to reach 3 billion people around the world with this concept of seek and find fulfillment across the five key life pillars. But once I set that goal, Chris, I realized that I’m not famous enough to reach 3 billion people on my own. So I need. Like, how am I going to do that? I need leverage. So I decided that I was going to do that through leadership.
Bernie Borges [00:10:17]:
And that inspired me to develop what I call my fulfillment centric leadership framework, which is a leadership framework. So here I am teaching leaders how to, first of all, embrace the five pillars and then take those five pillars to their employees. And since legacy is the fifth pillar, how do you see that fitting into you, working with others? Like, do you encourage others to. That you touch in your life across work, across family, across the Scouts, across church? Do you encourage them to be thinking about their legacy?
Chris Bjorling [00:10:54]:
Yeah, great question. I hope I do. Some specifically. Like, I’m going to a Scout meeting tonight, an annual council meeting where we’re honoring some people who have earned what’s called a silver beaver. It’s supporting the council at different levels and high commitment. And I get to introduce one of these recipients this year, and he is the outgoing president of the board for the Scout Council. And the last six months, we’ve been talking about, what’s your legacy going to be, David? You know, what do you. What do you want it to be as you.
Chris Bjorling [00:11:31]:
As you fulfill this term? You know, and so I think it, you know, I think just having that brief conversation a few different times has helped him and crafted him. And as he’s leaving this, the president position, he’s taking on another one because he says, I need to be known for this. And it’s just kind of fun that way. So when I work with leaders, okay, and he’s the CFO of a major company, too, but when I work with leaders and individuals, you know, you kind of were like, okay, how do you want this to be known? Made known? I mean, that’s one of the. Specifically in work, that’s one of the questions I ask. I’m like, I kind of work around the parameters. Look, they hired you because they thought you were smart. So what is it that you want us to do with you here in this organization? And what are your thoughts around how this should work so that we can enable those for you, so this can be your opportunity to shine right now? So it may not be an end goal legacy, but it’s really a reflection of this is for you, where does it go? You know, and we have, I’ve had conversations.
Chris Bjorling [00:12:38]:
I remember one youth that I worked with in scouts and in, in the church settings that, you know, he, I, I was at the wedding of one of my sons and we saw a paper article where he had fallen off the roof, third story roof, had been drinking. He was like 18, 19 at the time, so young and broke his back. So I hadn’t seen him in a while. So when I get back from the wedding, I see him and I just start laughing. I said, well, that was the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen. And he starts laughing back. He goes, yeah, it was. But from that point in that conversation, and you know, that was a monumental moment for him.
Chris Bjorling [00:13:17]:
But from that point forward we had this bond. It may seem strange when people listening say, wow, I can’t believe he did that. Well, I did, but you know, but from that point forward we had this bond where he then went off and served a two year mission for our congregation. And he came back and then he was hemming and ha. Going to a college setting. And I said, look, I will pay your first month’s rent. And then the next person next to me said, I’ll pay your second month’s rent. And then the third.
Chris Bjorling [00:13:47]:
And then, then ironically after we paid these things, we find out he got it all free anyway. But that’s another story unto itself, but sounds like it.
Bernie Borges [00:13:55]:
Yeah.
Chris Bjorling [00:13:58]:
And then he married. And so when he got married and stuff. So when you look at that concept, he was, he came from a part native family, American family, and moved forward and just, you know, was the first to get a bachelor’s degree and then he married somebody else who’s working on her master’s or doctorate right now. And so what a change in that world just from having that, that one moment. Now, for him it was having that experience, but for me it was picking up that experience and kind of helping him through the next phase.
Bernie Borges [00:14:32]:
So you’ve recognized the opportunity. Yep. The word that comes to mind is calling. Like in the moment you felt called or led.
Chris Bjorling [00:14:40]:
Yeah.
Bernie Borges [00:14:40]:
To have an impact on this gentleman. And you, you stepped up, you heeded the call, so to speak. Okay.
Chris Bjorling [00:14:49]:
Did not hesitate. Yep, exactly.
Bernie Borges [00:14:51]:
Okay. So, Chris, I feel compelled to ask you a question that I’ve actually never asked on the podcast before, so well over 200 episodes and I’ve never asked this question before, so you are the first. So I’ll preface the question by referencing the name of the podcast. It’s the Midlife Fulfilled Podcast. And I named it that very intentionally, because I did want to talk about the things that we experience in what I call midlife seasons. And it’s not a specific age. It’s a range of decades. And I wanted to talk about fulfillment.
Bernie Borges [00:15:27]:
So I was asked recently, so, Bernie, is it more about midlife? Is your podcast more about midlife or more about fulfillment? I had never been asked that question before, so I didn’t hesitate too long, because I know the answer. The answer is it’s more about fulfillment than it is about midlife. To me. Anyway, so. So my question is, when you think of legacy and you think of fulfillment, what does fulfillment mean to you, Chris, in legacy?
Chris Bjorling [00:15:57]:
You know, that’s a. That’s a brilliant question. I think. I think it’s there. I. I think, you know, that there’s a couple things. One, you know, as you talk about these decades and you talk about midlife or you talk about this, and we. I joked about that.
Chris Bjorling [00:16:10]:
You know, a lot of times when we’re younger, our heads are down, we’re rushing to the next thing. I got to fulfill this. I got to do that. And it’s not a fulfillment of personal satisfaction. It’s a fulfillment of checks and. And to dos, right? You know, you got to go through that. But when I think, when you can start to look back and say, okay, this is kind of, you know, my trajectory, all right, I may not get 3 billion viewers or 3 million. What did you say? 3 billion or 3.
Bernie Borges [00:16:39]:
3 billion. 3 billion people.
Chris Bjorling [00:16:41]:
I may not get 3 billion viewers right away, but, you know, what I’ve been able to do and where have I had impacts? And so that fulfillment comes back to looking at it and just saying, wow, you know, look, I’ve got things that I’ve started, the things that I’ve helped people with, things that I’ve focused on. I’ve got, you know, for me, these seven kids and eight ish grandchildren right now, you know, and, you know, know, where are they going? And did I do a good enough job as a parent, you know, and to move them forward and. And am I helping in the community? And so it’s. It’s about give back for me. That fulfillment to me is around. Can I look around and think that, yeah, maybe I helped make the world a better place? You know, one classic example for me, and I never shared this with you before, but was, you know, sometimes things we do may have a bigger impact than we ever knew. So the example that I’m going to share here was when I was in One of my first colleges, I was in an honor fraternity that. So it’s fraternity, but it was both male and female, and I was the president of that in my local chapter.
Chris Bjorling [00:17:58]:
However, New York State, which is where I’m at, didn’t have a state convention or state constitution. So therefore, we couldn’t hold offices, we couldn’t do our own things. We were always just kind of under the. The national by itself. So, you know, I’m in college, I’m thinking, hey, this is a great thing. I’ll go help create this. So me and, like, two other individuals crafted this. We stole part of it from the Missouri constitution.
Chris Bjorling [00:18:25]:
I’ll be honest with that. Okay. Were plagiarized a little, in a good way. Okay. And we put it out there. And so that organization, my chapter, had me come back about 15 years later and talk and. But they had me come to the state convention, which was being hosted locally, and I said, oh, okay. And I walk in, and so for me and two other individuals sitting around a hotel in Albany, you know, for a few weekends, and then I walk in and I’ve got 150 people in the room, and I say, wow, this is because I spent those few moments together with those two other individuals.
Chris Bjorling [00:19:10]:
And for me, that was a fulfillment in my heart. That said, well, I never thought really much about that after that time, but now all of a sudden I’m seeing this, and I’m seeing that the positive impact that just such a small moment of my life had for others who I didn’t even know, you know, and if I think if we reflect back on that, it’s. It’s there, you know, in the corporate world, if you help somebody advance their careers or if you help them prepare for their next job, and then, you know, down the road, they’re the CEO of some organization or they’re doing things, and, you know, it’s just sometimes we don’t know from our actions what the impact’s going to be.
Bernie Borges [00:19:47]:
Yeah, I think one of the things that I’ve experienced, and I think from what I’m hearing as I listen to you, Chris, I think you’ve experienced it, But I’ll ask you to elaborate or prove me wrong, but I. I don’t. I don’t think I’m going to be wrong, because I think it’s a good thing, and that is that the more you experience touching someone’s life and realizing that it’s part of your legacy, the more not only fulfillment you experience, but the more you want to experience that, like the More often you want to have a good impact, a positive impact. I remember quick story, about 15 or so years ago in a church setting, I was with a bunch of, I don’t know, 10, 11, 12 year old boys, you know, middle school boys. And I felt like I was herding cats on Wednesday nights. Just, it was a frustrating experience. And then about a year or two later, I ran into the kids at a big event with their parents, and their parents thanked me for my influence on them. And I thought I was just hurting cats.
Bernie Borges [00:20:51]:
I had no idea I had an impact on them. And you know, that’s one little example, one moment in my life that was reinforcement of having a positive impact in legacy and reminding me like, yeah, I not only want to do that, I need to do that more.
Chris Bjorling [00:21:11]:
Yeah, yeah, I think that’s huge. So, yeah, I’m not gonna debate you on this one. I. From my perspective, those little known things are important. So I had the chance to talk to, in his world, he’s very famous. Okay. And, but we were youth together, single adults together. Okay, so we’re not married, but we were in the 20 some year old range.
Chris Bjorling [00:21:37]:
He was getting his master’s or his doctorate in this. And I just joined the committee he was on and he wrote me a nice note. Okay, A little card. Probably didn’t think twice about it, but the message he had in there impacted me. And so I lost my brother a few years ago and much too young. And so I kind of, now I’m going back to people and saying thank you, thank you for being that influence to me. Thank you for doing this. So I said to him, I saw him just recently and I said, I just got to say something.
Chris Bjorling [00:22:10]:
You probably have no clue of this. And I said, but this, this helped change me. This helped solidify some decisions I was making. And I’m like, thank you. And he’s like, whoa, oh, okay. You know, and it was there. I remember also working with a friend of mine who ended up being a two star general. And I said, hey, you’re.
Chris Bjorling [00:22:33]:
You influenced me. He goes, oh, some influence. Now, he had some issues, you know, like a divorce and some things, some issues I screwed up. I said, no. I said, that’s normal. I said, but when we were together, you impacted my thought process, you impacted my value structure. You impacted these things. And again, like you say, you know, I’m herding dyslexic cats.
Chris Bjorling [00:22:54]:
Oh, you didn’t say dyslexic, but I’m herding cats on a Wednesday night, right? Yeah, those Influences or those moments, you know, again, like me sitting at a table in, in Albany, you know, spending a couple weekends, wow, look at the change it made for people. But in this case, it’s like, for me, it’s like the change it made for me. So I agree, you know, we may not know, and sometimes we may pass off those moments. I, I joked one time because this was a question was coming up. Somebody said, I’m not prepared to give this lesson, okay? It was a church based scenario and it was on service, right? And so he goes, can you, can you do something? No, this is when I was younger. Can you do something to kind of derail the conversation so I don’t have to have this, you know, I’m not exposed, but not being prepared, right? I said, sure. And so at the beginning of that conversation, I said, service is the most selfish thing that we can ever do. And everybody just flipped back.
Chris Bjorling [00:23:50]:
What do you mean? How can you say that? I said, well, think about it. When you go out and perform an act of service, okay, Whether it’s individual, small, or whether it’s with a group and you’re doing some project, you feel good. You know, I, it’s hard to believe that you can feel negative, that you can feel hate, that you can feel angst, you know, when you’re out working for somebody and doing something to help them. And I said, and those feelings are just so cool. Don’t we all want those?
Bernie Borges [00:24:21]:
Yeah. Yeah. You know what? You remind me of two occasions in my life where I was asked by the family of an individual who passed. I was asked to deliver the eulogy. One just a few years ago, maybe four years ago, the other one more like 30 years ago. And Chris, in neither case was I expecting to get that, that request, that invitation. Of course I was honored. Of course I did it.
Bernie Borges [00:24:52]:
And of course I also prepared very, very thoughtfully. I didn’t just get up there and wing it, you know, like, I was very prepared. And in both cases, while I was not looking for any kind of pat on the back or recognition, but in both cases, I had a number of people thank me for, you know, the, the recognition that I gave the individual and the things that were said and, and the way that I remembered the individual. And to your point, it wasn’t my intention to feel good about it, but I couldn’t help feel good that it was. I had a positive impact.
Chris Bjorling [00:25:30]:
Yeah, yeah. It’s just the natural feeling. It’s, you know, in one phrase of my business, it’s called the spillover Effect. You know, you go out, do this and you don’t expect anything, but the next thing you know, it’s like, hey, that’s cool, that’s good. Or, you know, I help some of these Eagle Scouts candidates that. On projects and I drive by and I see the project still in, in place and think, oh, that was so fun to help that young man or that young woman, you know, do that and then, you know, watch them achieve that rank and then go on with great things in their lives. Yep. It’s so cool.
Chris Bjorling [00:26:05]:
It’s. It’s there.
Bernie Borges [00:26:06]:
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I think the, the takeaway for me from this conversation is that legacy is selfish and therefore we should, we should chase after it.
Chris Bjorling [00:26:21]:
There you go. And we gotta learn how to monetize it in the way too. Exactly. No, I think, I think your legacy is, is, you know, it’s something ultimately you want it to be good. You want it to be said that, you know, I knew that person. Okay, I have one more personal story if I could. Right.
Bernie Borges [00:26:41]:
Yeah. Yeah.
Chris Bjorling [00:26:42]:
So my, My dad dropped out and decided to go play in World War II. Right? So Pearl harbor happens. His dad was a lifer in the Navy. Died in the 30s, but he decided to go play in World War II, did 39 months of combat. Came back, you know, he was in the Navy, came back, was over German prisoners of war at the time. And, you know, great stories, different things along those lines. But never finished high school, Right. I think he, I think it was when I was in my teens, he got his ged.
Chris Bjorling [00:27:13]:
Okay. So he was there, factory worker through and through all this and that. So fast forward several years and I needed a printer board. This is back when we had to do these lptn. Too many details, but a printer board into a computer to hook up your printer, right? And so I went and I, I stopped at this place. It was a brand new computer shop. And he says, the guy there says, so Bjorling. He goes, are you related to John Bjorling? And I said, yeah, he’s my dad.
Chris Bjorling [00:27:50]:
And he goes, I gotta tell you a story. I’m like, oh, right. And he was a gruff guy, but he said, yeah. He goes, I went to work at this organization, at this factory right out of high school. And I’m trying to make these parts and they weren’t coming out. They weren’t, they weren’t mixing, right. They weren’t all this stuff. It was just failure after failure.
Chris Bjorling [00:28:12]:
Your dad comes by and he sticks his thumb on it and then changes the mixture and Then does two other things and. And then he walks away and I’m. And then he goes, then I start making perfect parts. And he goes, that didn’t happen once. That happened a lot of times. And he goes, I was so intrigued by your dad’s ability to do that. Just coming in through, like touching or smelling or tasting. I guess tasting is probably not good anymore for parts on lines, but.
Chris Bjorling [00:28:49]:
But, you know, come in and do that. That. He goes, I went off and got my doctoral degree in rubber technology because it was a gasket company. And I’m like, my dad inspired you to get a doctoral degree? Because, yeah, it was amazing. And I’m like, he didn’t do that to me anyway. But again, it’s one of those moments that, you know, when you look at it is like, yeah, we all touch people in, you know, different ways. And so that legacy statement comes back to, is that we’ve had more influence than we probably think. And when you sit to a certain point in time in your life, take a moment and reflect, take a moment and think back, take a moment on plan your life forward to give back even more to the community.
Chris Bjorling [00:29:32]:
Because your experience, your knowledge over the years makes you so much more of a valuable asset. You know, I know everybody thinks, oh, I can ask AI. You know, there’s a ton of stuff that AI can’t give you. And it’s that heartfelt moments. It’s the. That just a slight suggestion at the right time versus an overwhelming dearth of data. Right. That can change the trajectory of a person or organization and a family.
Bernie Borges [00:29:59]:
Great point, Chris, and a great point for us to wrap on. Wow, really meaningful conversation. Thank you so much. And Chris, let me just invite you to share your contact information. If someone listening wants to connect with you and just kind of get into your world, where. Where can we send them?
Chris Bjorling [00:30:17]:
Excellent. So organizationally, from a business perspective. Fidello.com F I-E-L-L o.com that’s in the background there. You can go see that, See the type of work we do, the clients we worked with. It’s been fun. It’s interesting. We can talk about stories about lots of different groups, too, over time. But personally, if you want to reach out to me, go to my LinkedIn.
Chris Bjorling [00:30:39]:
Chris Bjorling. Look me up. You’re going to see this face and we’ll go from there.
Bernie Borges [00:30:45]:
So fantastic. Well, my listener knows, Chris, that all that will be linked up in the show notes. So I just want to thank you for joining me today for this vulnerable conversation. This meaningful conversation on the impact of legacy. I love everything we discussed. I love the closing point you made. Just a great reminder that we don’t know just how often we touch people and the impact that we have on people. And like you said, you know, reflect on that.
Bernie Borges [00:31:12]:
So thank you so much, Chris. I really enjoyed it.
Chris Bjorling [00:31:15]:
Thank you, Bernie.
