Bernie Borges [00:00:00]:
James and Claire Davis, welcome to the Midlife Fulfilled Podcast, a maximum episode.
Claire Davis [00:00:07]:
Hello. Hi, Benny. Thank you very much for having us. Thank you.
Bernie Borges [00:00:10]:
Oh, thank you so much for being here. I’m really looking forward to our conversation. Let me give you both a little bit of a an introduction for my listener. James and Claire, you run one of Europe’s most successful luxury fitness retreat companies since 2012, 38 Degrees North. And you have trained thousands of clients. You’ve won multiple awards. You’ve gotten all kinds of accolades and praise, and you are the host of the Midlife Mentors podcast since 2019, and I’ve listened not since 2019, but I’ve listened to quite a few of them. I’ve been I’ve been kinda stalking you out there for a while now.
Bernie Borges [00:00:51]:
And you’ve got a program called the Midlife Reset transformational program. So love to hear something about that. Now you both were in the corporate rat race for some time, significant time. We’ll hear a little bit about that. And of course, you experience what a lot of us experience in that rat race, emptiness, unhealthy behavior, etcetera. But you found a way to transform, and I wanna talk about that. And I wanna talk about specifically your relationship because you 2 are a couple. And I think you came together in a midlife season.
Bernie Borges [00:01:25]:
If I’m not mistaken, I’d like to hear something about that. But first, let’s begin. Tell us a little bit of that rat race story that led to your transformation.
James Davis [00:01:33]:
Yeah. I guess, I wind it right back. I’ve always been fascinated by by human behavior. You know, why do people behave the way they do, and how can we change that behavior? So I started psychology at university. They went on to do a master’s in applied psychology and actually started into that field, but got distracted by, let’s say, youth lifestyle and journalism. So, we had a big music scene in the UK at the time, and I kinda got pulled into that and writing for magazines, which led to an alternative alternative career as a journalist, and then I gradually worked more in the media and commercial business development and strategy side. And that was great. It was a fulfilling career, but I kinda knew that I wanted more.
James Davis [00:02:11]:
So in 2011, a role kinda came to an end, and I was like, right. Say I’m going to this island in the Mediterranean called Ibiza, which I kind of knew from the music scene, but also knew it’s a beautiful island. And I remember the idea of setting up a retreats business. And back then, retreats were really all focused around that other kind of like yoga and very, esoterical or they’re focused on weight loss. Like, we’re gonna take you to this place, feed you rice and beans, beast you hard with training, and you’ll lose loads of weight. But when you finish, you’ve had a horrible time and it will get back on. I was like, well, actually, let’s partner with 5 Star Resorts. Let’s have a healthy menu.
James Davis [00:02:48]:
But if people wanna also have a burger and a beer, they can because we’re gonna introduce, you know, modules on nutrition. We’re gonna talk to them about their beliefs, about their mindset, how they change those as well as all the training, and that was the birth of 38 Degrees North. We went from there. Claire joins me into that endeavor. I guess we’ll get more into our story in a minute. That was all going great guns, Bernie. It was amazing. And 2020 was was shaping up to be our best year ever.
James Davis [00:03:13]:
We planned more retreats. We were 85% booked, and then this pesky thing called COVID came along.
Bernie Borges [00:03:18]:
Yeah. We
James Davis [00:03:19]:
had the world
Bernie Borges [00:03:20]:
down. Yeah.
James Davis [00:03:21]:
So we pipped it into online. We’d already had the podcast, the midlife mentors. We thought, okay, how can we help midlifers? We developed this program that’s holistic, you know, it is about the mind and the body, and we went from there.
Claire Davis [00:03:33]:
Yeah. And then just a little bit because James has obviously given you the more recent stuff. But for me, I it’s funny you before we jumped on, you were saying about marketing and stuff as well. Like I got a degree in PR and marketing, and found out that I actually hated it. So, unfortunately, I’ve got a degree in PR and marketing and and started off at Harrods, actually. That was my first job back in 1999, Harrods, and that was quite the experience. And then I just kind of stayed in it for 15 years. You know, I got really, really hooked into the lifestyle, the money it was giving me, the status it was giving me, but it never actually fulfilled me at all.
Claire Davis [00:04:15]:
And all that time, I was doing lots of other psychology kind of based stuff. I became a stress management consultant, I became a life and business coach, I launched a couple of businesses on the side, but then didn’t have the courage to really see them through in the self belief and the self worth. So I really struggled in my twenties and kind of, like, into my early thirties to find that fulfillment. And I but I knew there was something more that I wanted to do, and it was only my own experience of going through a divorce, being put on antidepressants, piling on the pounds, being very, very sick mentally and physically and spiritually that, I then discovered nutrition and the power of moving my body. And then I was able to come off the antidepressants, and I was like, I’m hooked. I wanna show other people the power of the mind, body, and spiritual approach all in one because I’ve done all the psychology stuff. And then this new world of, health and wellness came forward for me. So I ditched everything else, qualified as a personal trainer, nutritionist, or, like, all these bits and bit bits and bobs and pulled it all together and then met this one.
Bernie Borges [00:05:23]:
Okay. Well, thank you for sharing that backstory. Why don’t you continue? So when the 2 of you met, I’d like to understand a little bit about kind of the mindset that you both had at the time because a lot of people in midlife and I’m not one of them. I’ve been happily married 37 years, but a lot of people in midlife do go through through transitions, divorce, that sort of thing. And what I’ve heard, because again, I haven’t experienced it myself, is that sometimes finding a new relationship, giving yourself permission, so to speak, to kinda really engage in that relationship, it’s not easy. So maybe you can share a little bit of of of not only your story, but what you’ve learned from it.
James Davis [00:06:04]:
We we learned so so much. And, you know, I think it is tricky at midlife. The first thing I’ll say is, you know, we have so much experience, I think, is a nice word. Baggage might be the other way we we frame it. You know, when we come in midlife to a new relationship. So, our story is we we’ve known each other. We were we’re kind of in the same friendship group, and Claire was obviously flying out to Ibiza. She was friends with friends of mine and friends of my wife.
James Davis [00:06:29]:
So I actually found out my wife left me. We separated. She basically walked out of the relationship, and I didn’t know for about 3 months that the same thing had happened to Claire with her husband. And And then I found out, and I was like, oh, that’s quite interesting. So that’s kind of how we started to get together. In terms of how it impacted me, I think, you know, I was in my mid forties. I thought I was running this business with my life partner. I was suddenly on my own, and you have all these feelings of of rejection, of abandonment.
James Davis [00:06:58]:
You know? I was having to hold it together for the business, for my team, for clients, but, you know, behind the scenes, I I was a wreck. My confidence was shot. I wasn’t interested in dating for 8 you know, I I just I couldn’t see a way forward. I was like, you know, I’m a washed up guy in my forties. I’ve been walked out on who’s gonna want me now. And I had to go through this kinda, like, long, dark night of the soul until I I kinda like, right, I’ve got some of these tools. I need to start applying, pull myself together. I sought external help, and gradually gradually kind of clawed my way back to a more positive perspective.
James Davis [00:07:31]:
And then I met Claire, and we kind of you know, it was difficult because I was in Ibiza. She was in the UK. We were on off, on off, until we finally got together. When we did get together, I think it’s interesting. We both thought, okay. We’ve worked through that really unpleasant period of being single and redefining who you are and, you know, kind of trying to work out what went wrong last time and and what can I fix about myself? Who am I? We’re like, well, this is great. But, honestly, we had so much baggage we were still carrying, and that was a big thing. It’s a big commitment from both of us to actually acknowledge that and then be prepared to commit to each other and work through it.
Claire Davis [00:08:06]:
Yeah. And I think that lasted, you know, that here’s the thing. People have raised tinted glasses, I think, about that honeymoon period. Right? But, actually, we launched ourselves into a relationship and working together all at once. So that’s a big, big commitment for both of us. You know, I I started working in James’s business and so there was a lot of an an inferiority complex. There was so much that I thought I’d worked for that that moving to Ibiza and then being with James brought up for me. It was like every single little girl fear that I’d ever had and tried to shut down was just brought to the surface.
Claire Davis [00:08:42]:
And the truth be known, like, it was so intense working together as well. That lasted for a good number of years of trying to figure it out, you know, it was sometimes explosive, but amazing at the same time. We really knew, like, we look back now, we absolutely knew that either of us could have walked away at any point and probably at moments should have, but neither of us ever never ever wanted to because we could see the potential. And you couldn’t explain that to anyone. I mean, everyone else on the surface would have thought, oh, those guys, they’re the dream team. It’s amazing. But then, you know, like everything, that’s just what you’re seeing on the surface. We had to work through a lot.
Claire Davis [00:09:24]:
And I think that’s the thing about relationships is they are so disposable these days. It’s that whole swipe left, swipe left. It’s so disposable, but the best bit of your relationship comes when you dig deep. It’s not the beginning. The the most beautiful parts of a relationship are when you fail, you pick yourself up again, you fail, you pick yourself up again, and you really commit even though it’s difficult. And you because every single relationship I love that one of your pillars is relationship because we’re human beings. We’re in relationship. That’s what we’re here for is to have relationships, and they are the biggest stressor, but the biggest gift.
Claire Davis [00:10:07]:
Because if we can stay, they will reflect back at you what you need to work on yourself. And once you do, and can you commit to that and take responsibility for working on that yourself, Oh my goodness. Like, the the whole world opens up in such an incredible way.
Bernie Borges [00:10:25]:
Yeah. Okay. Couple things I heard that I wanna share with you before I ask a follow on question. I heard that you, of course, both went through a divorce, but you also immediately after that went through a period of you know things were dark and you were down and and it was it was a challenging time for you and then when you came together, you’ve realized what you had in common, but you also, as you said, Claire, came together not only as a couple, but also as business partners, which is like a double whammy from a relationship standpoint. Right? And but I’m gonna ask you to elaborate on that a little bit from the standpoint of hosting your podcast, the midlife mentors podcast, which is a terrific podcast. You know, I mentioned that I I I think I mentioned this before we started recording that I did a bunch of research before I launched the mid life fulfill podcast. I came across probably couple 100 podcast that cover the midlife space and identified less than 10 that I thought were really good and and yours was one of them. So I’m not BS ing you.
Bernie Borges [00:11:29]:
I’ve been listening to your podcast, but anyway, I digress a little bit. How have the 2 of you made that work? Because speaking as a podcaster myself, I don’t have a co host. So I don’t know what it’s like to have a co host, and here are the 2 of you are in this well, it’s maybe not a new relationship at this point, but at one point, it was new and you were hosting a podcast together. How are you pulling that off?
Claire Davis [00:11:55]:
It’s a it’s a really good question. And I think it’s very, very different now. But for me, there we have very, very different ways of approaching everything, Bernie. You know, like I’m I have I’m a recovering perfectionist. So I I’ve been in recovery, basically, since being with James, because James is fly by the seat of his pants, get get stuff out there. Don’t worry if it’s too perfect. And and I would be kicking and screaming going, no, don’t get it out. Don’t let it out.
Claire Davis [00:12:24]:
So at the beginning of the podcast, that’s kind of what it was like. And I would plan it and I said, you do this bit, you do this bit, you do this bit and change. I’d be like, oh my goodness, enough already. Let’s just get on and do it. I mean, I think it’s, it’s practice, right, and getting to know each other’s styles. But it’s also about as we’ve gone through, I’m sure people, and I hope they have, have seen the journey of our marriage, of our relationship actually, just in the style of that podcast. Because the I think the more we’ve become grounded and comfortable with ourselves, and it’s not the ego fighting the ego. I think it’s just I mean, I love doing it much more.
Claire Davis [00:13:05]:
I know I I I’m speaking for you, but I know that we just enjoy it. We just get on. We don’t we we put do a couple of points. We just get on and we just do it. And who takes what points is who takes what points. And it’s actually about encouraging the other person. And I think because we’re such ambitious people, right at the beginning of that podcast and our working relationship, we could come up against each other being a bit competitive with each other, and the ego is kind of fighting to, I wanna say that, I wanna say that. But now we just because we have just such a growth, we had such growth in our marriage, particularly over the last 18 months, there is a real warmth to it I hope.
Claire Davis [00:13:46]:
And also an understanding of what James’s strengths are and encouraging him when he says something I’m like, yeah that was a great thing to say, it was great. And I think the energy is just very different now.
James Davis [00:13:58]:
I I was gonna say, I think that’s that’s a great answer, Claire. I think I think there’s 2 aspects here. Right? You touched on there. There’s a relationship itself and then there’s the working together. And it it was a double whammy and a big double whammy. In a way, I think it was positive for us, and it accelerated everything. But just on the
Claire Davis [00:14:13]:
relation We can say that now
James Davis [00:14:14]:
looking back. I saw the relationship thing, and I think this people will resonate with this for anything new that they’re doing, whether, you know, going for a new career or relationship side hustle. There’s a lot of fear, I think, at midlife for a lot of people. I think when we’re young, we have less fear. Right? We we play to win. When when we get older, we’ve become a lot more risk averse about this. And there’s a lot of fear. And I think the natural inclination and in the relationship I’ll speak for myself personally here.
James Davis [00:14:39]:
I had a lot of fears, but I didn’t wanna voice them to appear that I was scared. So I was pushing them down, pushing them down. They didn’t manifest in other ways. At the point, I could actually acknowledge, like, you know what? I am scared. These are things I’m afraid of. I could face those and deal with them. And we talked them through, and we dealt dealt with them together. And I think that’s, you know, great advice for anyone in any any situation, not just relationships.
James Davis [00:15:00]:
That’s relationship side. Of course, that overlaps into work. Then like Claire said, it was a learning, you know, different styles and how we complement each other and then, you know, how, eventually, how we split business tasks. You know, who who does what? And, yeah, we work really well together now, I think, as a team.
Claire Davis [00:15:15]:
I love the way he was checking in there. I think I think we do. We do. We we work great together now. It’s really lovely.
Bernie Borges [00:15:21]:
What I’ll say, and this is authentic. I’m not, you know, blowing any smoke here, is that the 2 of you come across on your podcast just very authentic, very, in love with each other, very collaborative with each other, very intent on delivering value to your listener, to your audience. So that’s one of the reasons that, you know, I became attracted to your podcast because you’re just real people and that comes across in your podcast. So I congratulate you on that. Thank you.
Claire Davis [00:15:52]:
It means such a lot. It means such a lot. Thank you.
Bernie Borges [00:15:55]:
Good. Good. Good. Well, I mean it. I know that the 2 of you offer all kinds of well, I don’t know about all kinds, but many valuable services to the midlife community. Correct me if I’m wrong, but marriage counseling is not one of them. Is that right?
James Davis [00:16:09]:
Okay. Alright.
Claire Davis [00:16:11]:
Well, yes.
Bernie Borges [00:16:11]:
However, however, even though marriage counseling is not a service offering, I would like you to maybe brief not reframe, but think about what we’ve discussed so far. And and how would you kinda frame that up to, someone listening in a midlife season who is maybe going through this transition period? What what kind of advice, if you will? And if you don’t wanna use the word advice, like, what what would you encourage people to be thinking about and and considering? And, of course, everyone’s got a unique scenario. We know that. But in general, how would you maybe comment on that?
James Davis [00:16:47]:
So I’ll I’ll give you a general overview first. I think, you know, it’s easy to feel that, we’re just where we are in life, and that’s kind of our our destiny and not think about it too much. But, actually, I’d encourage people to think about, well, this is where I am right now, but, actually, what what do I want from my life? What what do I wanna be? Where do I wanna go? Because it’s not too late. We can make those changes, and we have the power within us to do it. So I think the first step is actually, like, evaluating your life. It’s something we go through with clients. You know? Where are we directing energy in certain areas? Is your life what what you want it to be? What would you like it to be? And then let’s start building towards that. I’d say in relationships, and, again, this is my experience working you know, we have worked with people in relationships, and they’re like, well, it’s kind of, you know, lost its sparkle a little bit.
James Davis [00:17:34]:
I think, you know, it’s only natural as time goes by and we compromise, we can start to take the other person for granted maybe, and we lose that special edge. So I I encourage people listening, like, just think about how much energy you may be putting into things like your career versus how much you’re putting into your relationship. How are you showing up? Flip it around. How would you like your partner to show up? Then then be that person. Right? Think about how I can show more interest, how I can have deep communication. And it it doesn’t have to mean big changes. It could just be, like, 5 minutes to start a day. You know? Like, just getting your partner and going, hey.
James Davis [00:18:05]:
I really wanna know. Like, how are you feeling this morning? What what what’s going on for you? What your emotions? I’m really listening to them. Just doing something as simple as that and holding eye contact can really start to help build more depth of communication and intimacy. So those have been my kind of top level tips.
Bernie Borges [00:18:21]:
K. Claire, anything you wanna add?
Claire Davis [00:18:23]:
No. I I just think, you know, like James was saying right at the beginning, I do and has actually said, I think there is a lot of fear when we reach this time of our life. That all the things that we’ve gathered, you know, it’s the it’s almost like the empty promise, isn’t it? We used the word happy before we started recording, you know, I’m I’m seeking happiness. And it’s the promise almost that never comes because we as we know, happiness is an inside job. But I love the fact that this is all about fulfillment because actually happiness is an emotion. And we’re gathering, we’re promised even from when we’re little, oh, you know, get the get the exams and then you’ll go to that school, get to university and then you’ll get that job and then you get that house and then you get that relationship. And then and so we’re always constantly waiting to be happy, but never actually being taught or understanding or discovering what happiness really is to us, and it’s in the moment. It’s in the present moment.
Claire Davis [00:19:24]:
And most of us can’t actually have never even worked the muscle of being in the present moment. Gratitude for what we already have. So there’s a lot of fear, I think, when we get to this time of life that we don’t know what it means to be happy. We’re constantly on this treadmill that we’ve always been on, and the idea of even remotely stepping off of it is completely terrifying. And there’s a worry that you’re gonna lose the things that you’ve built around you almost to protect yourself. So what I would say is, you know, I would say everyone at midlife gets this feeling, we call it the midlife crisis, it’s a really unfair thing to call it. I’d like to call it midlife reinvention where we get an opportunity to use the wisdom of age to to build a new narrative for ourselves and therefore a new life for ourselves. And our values all change.
Claire Davis [00:20:16]:
You know, when we get to this time of our life, our values have changed. And fact that your your actions are no longer in line with your new values, that’s why you feel so uncomfortable. Clara, I love that you’re making that point. I I make that same point as well.
Bernie Borges [00:20:27]:
And that is look at your current values. How are they different than they used to be? And how is your current lifestyle aligned with your current values? Because oftentimes, what I encounter is people whose lifestyle is aligned with their values from the past.
Claire Davis [00:20:50]:
Exactly. So
Bernie Borges [00:20:50]:
you get this tremendous disconnect going on because their values and their lifestyle are not aligned.
Claire Davis [00:20:57]:
Exactly. Exactly.
James Davis [00:20:59]:
Do that. I just wanna add to that. I’ve read this recently. I might I might paraphrase it wrongly. So, I think it’s really relevant in the in the social media age. And when I when I say it, I think we realize how much social media drives this. So I think it was Saint Anthony centuries ago said, you know, the recipe for unhappiness is to spend your time regretting the past, focusing on future things for happiness and not being grateful for the present moment. That was his recipe for unhappiness centuries ago.
James Davis [00:21:26]:
And, like, that’s that’s pretty much what social media to us all the time. Mhmm. Mhmm. Yeah.
Bernie Borges [00:21:31]:
Yeah. I think that’s a whole other topic for another podcast
Claire Davis [00:21:33]:
for sure.
Bernie Borges [00:21:33]:
I wanna go to a topic that is something we have in common. We both, well, both meaning the YouTube and myself have a passion for fitness as you know, it’s one of my 5 pillars health fitness career relationships and legacy. We’ve been talking about relationships Speak to your passion, your devotion, your commitment to fitness, and kinda where it fits in, with your relationship. And you’re both smiling right now.
Claire Davis [00:22:05]:
Yeah. Well, to be honest with you, I wanna it’s everyone’s like oh Claire, you must have always been into fitness, you must have always, you know, had that physique that you’ve had blah blah blah, it’s absolute bs, it really is. Like I didn’t get into fitness, I think I kind of mentioned, I didn’t get into fitness and weightlifting and all of that kind of stuff until I was 33 and it really genuinely saved my life. Like honestly, it saved my mental health, my physical health. I was going down a spiral of drinking loads all the time, so it really is a massive passion for me, and the and the weight training was what gave me my power back. So I never weight trained, and I just fell in love with it. It was amazing, and that’s why I wanted to start helping other women particularly to regain their power, their empowerment through their physicality, and then that in turn, as we know, starts to positively impact, our neural pathways in our brain and gives us a feeling of less stress, feel good hormones. So that’s where I got into it, and then James had always I mean, you can tell your story, but you’d always been into fitness.
Claire Davis [00:23:12]:
But when we got together, I was this is the funny story, I was the weight training girl. Like, I loved weight training. James was the cardio guy. So when we got together and I moved to Ibiza, he was like, right, it’s 6 in the morning, Let’s get up and do our cardio. And I was like, mate, you are you you’re like Tigger from Winnie the Pooh. This is not gonna work, and, you know, you’re gonna have to ply me with copious amounts of coffee before I get anywhere. Well, anyway, he turned me into a morning person.
James Davis [00:23:46]:
But
Claire Davis [00:23:46]:
it did take about 9 months before before I was like a sloth, for for, you know, the the good hour. He had to kinda get me up, and then I was finally outside doing cardio about an hour later, completely caffeinated up. But, like, actually, that was so amazing for me because he gave me a passion again for different kinds of functional training. And on the flip side, I was like, you need to be doing this in the in the gym. You need to be weight training in this way. So it it really brought us together, and I do think actually what we see at midlife is this brings couples together. We’ve had couples come on our midlife reset program and really find a new lease of life in their marriage, in their relationship, where they are saying this is a priority and we’re gonna do this together and we’re gonna be healthy together. Because sometimes what we do see is one goes off in one direction of starting to prioritize their health and wellness, and the other one doesn’t.
Claire Davis [00:24:49]:
So they end up kind of shifting away from them, and actually sometimes the the partner can start to sabotage the really good efforts of that person. So I do think it’s a really strong linchpin that can pull couples together and it certainly did with us. Yeah. I I can appreciate that. I know,
Bernie Borges [00:25:04]:
my wife and I have had that in common since we were dating, and we’ve been married 37 years. And so
Claire Davis [00:25:11]:
That’s what you say.
Bernie Borges [00:25:12]:
I can attest to to that same thing that, you know, fitness is something that’s always been important to us. So what I’m hearing you say, Claire, is that it’s it’s part of your programs. It’s part of so maybe it is a form of marriage counseling. Maybe you didn’t even know that you were doing marriage counseling through your your fitness programs. I see James nodding his head.
James Davis [00:25:31]:
Well, I think it’s interesting, you know, because I think in in the modern world, we’ve moved, you know, post post industrial revolution. We’ve moved to much more sedentary lifestyle, most most people. Right? But actually, from an evolutionary perspective, we’re not designed to be sat around in chairs all day doing nothing. I mean, we have to look at, you know, the obesity issues that we have in the western world now with, you know, poor food environment and lack of movement. And I think whether we decide we wanna work on our mind or not, it’s important to recognize the role that the body has in that as well. We do have mind body connection, which is why I think we’ve always said that movement is part of what we offer. Even someone comes to us, they’re like, oh, I just wanna work on my goals to you know, we’re like, okay. But let’s what’s your what’s your physical health like? Because we wanna make sure we’re dialing in on that as well.
James Davis [00:26:14]:
I think it’s it’s so, so important. They’re so interconnected. And I think a lot of science is only just catching up on that really.
Bernie Borges [00:26:22]:
Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So, what’s next for the 2 of you as midlife mentors? Where where are you headed?
James Davis [00:26:30]:
Great question. Well, I think, encouraging for us, we’ve seen a lot of growth of interest from organizations, corporations for us to come in and talk to their workforces about issues, some related to midlife. So we do a lot around the menopause, a lot around, andropause, low testosterone for men. We’re gonna talk about stress and how to manage it effectively. We talk about communication and relationships. So the corporate side of things is something that really we really love doing and excites us. So so that’s one thing. And then I guess we’re carrying on our one to one coaching, our reset program, and the podcast.
James Davis [00:27:07]:
Yeah. We’ve got we’ve got a few other little things bubbling under
Claire Davis [00:27:10]:
that we’ve got.
James Davis [00:27:10]:
We can’t reveal them.
Claire Davis [00:27:11]:
He’s not
Bernie Borges [00:27:12]:
he’s not revealed them yet. Okay.
Claire Davis [00:27:13]:
No. He’s not allowed to talk about some of the things that, it’s not for me. It’s him. He’s doing amazing stuff. So, I’m very excited when you can do the big reveal. Yes. Yes.
Bernie Borges [00:27:21]:
Yes. Well, I’m excited to to learn more about that when when the timing is right. And and James and Claire, I share your passion for, working with and helping corporate organizations because, of course, businesses are made up of people. And there’s an intergenerational workforce in businesses no matter what the location is, whether it’s in the UK or for me here in the US, it’s just companies made up of people of all different ages and demographics. And I think a lot of organizations welcome some assistance on the kinds of things that you and I can can do to help the their employees thrive more achieve more fulfillment. And of course that helps with uh-uh employee retention. I want to ask for a closing thought. Anything that we’ve discussed so far that you’d like to maybe put an exclamation point on.
Bernie Borges [00:28:14]:
It’s
Claire Davis [00:28:15]:
for me, it’s very, very simple. It’s it’s really never too late. And I’ve got another kind of explanation. It’s never too late, but also just really, really look at your life and think about what’s truly important. Like, when you take your last breath, are you gonna be thinking about all the things that you’ve gathered around you, your status, the amount of money you had in the bank account, or are you gonna think about how aligned with your soul that you were, and how and how the person that you became because of the things that you that you did, not necessarily things that you were kind of going out and striving for, but the things that you did as a person. I I always try and keep that in my mind when I think about what’s important to me because we can get so pulled in different directions, can’t we, with the striving and you’ve got to have this and the quick fixes and the fast fast fast. And, actually, I always think, oh, who who do I want to become, at this stage of my life, and what do I wanna be proud of when I take my last breath?
James Davis [00:29:27]:
I would say I’m gonna I’m gonna echo what Claire said, but I’m also gonna say, don’t let fear be the dominant player in your life. So don’t be afraid to face your fears because there’s freedom on the other side of those for sure.
Bernie Borges [00:29:41]:
Fantastic. And where would you like to send my listener to just learn more about everything you’ve got going on and get into your world?
Claire Davis [00:29:49]:
They can go to the midlife mentors.com, and you can follow our podcast, the midlife mentors. And you can find us on Instagram at midlife mentors.
Bernie Borges [00:29:59]:
Fantastic. Well, my listener knows all that will be linked up in the show notes. My closing remark is the following, and this is not prepared. This is very much in the moment from my heart, and that is that you are a beautiful couple. And I’m choosing to use the word beautiful because it transcends physical appearance. I mean, you’re a good looking couple, but it transcends physical appearance. The the message you’re delivering to the world through your podcast, through your services is a very, very positive one, and you do it with passion and, and authenticity and with, with quality and credentials. So everything about what you’re doing is beautiful, and I just thank you for joining me today on this maximum episode of the Midlife of Phil podcast to share you with my listening audience.
Claire Davis [00:30:51]:
Thank you so much.
James Davis [00:30:52]:
Thank you so much, Bernie. Thank you.
