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Ep 219 How Your Intentional Ripples Define Legacy in Leadership

We explore how leading without needing a defined position, and focusing on the lasting impact of developmental ripple effects we leave in our wake.

In this maximum episode, we sit down with Jeff Nischwitz, a trailblazer known for challenging traditional leadership paradigms and igniting transformative shifts in both individuals and organizations. We explore how leading without needing a defined position, and focusing on the lasting impact of developmental ripple effects we leave in our wake.

🗝️ Three Key Discussion Points:

1️⃣ Legacy Through Everyday Actions: Jeff reminds us that legacy isn’t just about grand achievements; it’s about the ripples we create in everyday interactions. Whether you’re mentoring a colleague or simply being present for someone, these actions accumulate into a powerful legacy.

2️⃣ Redefining Leadership: Leadership should not be confined to positions or titles. Jeff emphasizes the importance of leadership without position or permission, urging everyone to lead through their unique talents and perspectives.

3️⃣ Living with Purpose: Having clarity in your mission and core values can transform your impact. Jeff shares his personal mission to spread hope, safety, and healing, and challenges us to reflect on our own purpose.

Main Takeaway: Legacy and leadership go hand-in-hand. It’s about touching lives, empowering others, and living intentionally with purpose. These actions define our impact and legacy far beyond any title or achievement.

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Episode Transcript

Bernie Borges [00:00:00]:
Jeff Nischwitz, welcome to the Midlife Fulfill podcast, a maximum episode.

Jeff Nischwitz [00:00:06]:
Hey, Bernie. Thanks for having me. I am so very much looking forward to this conversation.

Bernie Borges [00:00:12]:
So am I. Thanks for joining me today. I appreciate it. Well, Jeff, let me give you a little bit of an introduction for my listener. I love some of the things that define your brand, your personal brand. You’re known as a facilitator of truth, a snow globe shaker. For those watching on video, you can see that, and the leader of shift. I love that.

Bernie Borges [00:00:36]:
You are a man on a mission, Jeff, to help people shift how they lead and thereby shift their leadership impact. You’re the founder of the Nischwitz Group, a speaking and consulting and coaching company that transforms people and organizations. And you have you’re known for a lot of, unique perspectives that challenge traditional thinking and deliver tangible shifts for leaders to grow their people, build their businesses, and, of course, their relationships. And, Jeff, you’ve you’ve authored 5 leadership and personal development books, Your most recent is Snow Globe Leadership, Shaken Not Settled. Love that title. Wanna hear more about that. I invited you here today to discuss one of my favorite topics, legacy, defining legacy, and why it matters. And, Jeff, I’ll open up by saying of the of my 5 pillars, health, fitness, career, relationships, and legacy.

Bernie Borges [00:01:37]:
Legacy is the one that I’m weakest in, and I’m working on that one. So really, really excited to have this conversation with you. So let’s get into it. When when you say defining legacy is important, it matters. Why?

Jeff Nischwitz [00:01:50]:
Well, I think it it’s not a question of why it matters to me, but why I think it matters to others because they’re the ones listening trying to figure it out. And I believe that each one of us, whether we know it or not, we have this innate desire to believe that us being here and living mattered. That’s really what it comes down to. We can call it legacy and we can label legacy in a lot of different ways. For some people, it’s financial legacy. For some, it’s people legacy. For some, it’s institutional legacy, community legacy. But the fundamental core is that desire that I believe humans have to know that they mattered.

Jeff Nischwitz [00:02:29]:
And for me, that’s what legacy is about. And I I think it’s interesting when you said that one you’re doing the poorest at or wanna improve the most because I also think that a lot of people, and it was me, this was true for me for a long time, underestimate the impact we’ve already had because we’re looking for something grand or grandiose.

Bernie Borges [00:02:52]:
Right. Right.

Jeff Nischwitz [00:02:53]:
But the thing I like and maybe we’ll get into more detail on this. I like to think of it like this, that every human who’s ever walked this planet, even if they never walked the planet. Let’s say someone sadly passed away at a very young age. The moment they had a breath, they had a ripple effect on someone or something. And the the cumulative effect of those ripples is our legacy. And it may not show up in a way that we’re used to seeing or experiencing, but the ripples are still there. The only question we each get to answer is how intentional are my ripples? Because I don’t get to decide the outcome of the ripples. I just get to throw rocks, and I’ve been throwing rocks for a while.

Bernie Borges [00:03:32]:
Yeah. Okay. So couple thoughts on that that that you’re stirring in my my head, Jeff. One is I’m very big on self awareness. I think, you know that from a previous conversation. In fact, in the previous podcast episode, we talked a lot about self awareness, and it’s big part of my fulfillment centric leadership framework is self awareness. So I I I mentioned that only because I am self aware, Jeff, that I have a lot of room to to create more legacy. As I look at the 4 pillars before legacy, health, fitness, career, and relationships, I’ve done a lot of sort of self reflection on those 4, and, you know, they’re not terrible.

Bernie Borges [00:04:16]:
And I’m not saying my legacy pillar’s terrible, but I am saying that I’m raising the bar higher, Jeff. That’s what I’m saying. I’m raising the bar on legacy. I have more work to do. That that’s what I’m saying, and it’s really a self awareness thing. I have more work to do.

Jeff Nischwitz [00:04:31]:
You know, that’s an interesting one to be talking about this year for me because I had I’ve been told I had a big birthday last year. Okay? The system says it’s a big birthday. And I say the system because as a result of that birthday, I now have a card that says my insurance comes from the government. Uh-huh. So for those who haven’t figured it out, that means I turned 65 last year.

Bernie Borges [00:04:56]:
I have one of those cards.

Jeff Nischwitz [00:04:58]:
And I’m so now I’m on Medicare. That’s that card. And for a brief moment, as I was approaching that 6, 8 months out, my first response was, are you kidding me? That’s for old people. I’m not an old person. But then I quickly it quickly took me that self awareness piece of, so what does it really mean to me? And what I realized was it didn’t have the the birth date that mark that demarcation point didn’t have meaning for me, but what it led me to, and this is about legacy, what do I want the rest of my days to be like? Because I don’t control the past days. They are what they are. And I could what have done more, impacted more, had more legacy, all of that. But a big piece for me was realizing how I wanted to live those remaining days, whether it’s one day or 40 years.

Jeff Nischwitz [00:05:45]:
And from a legacy perspective, I really got a lot of peace in saying, I got a lot more in me, but if I don’t get another opportunity even one more day, that’s okay because I’ve made some ripples. So I don’t have I don’t personally have the sense of there’s more I have to do. There’s more I plan to do if I’m given the time. Mhmm. Mhmm.

Bernie Borges [00:06:08]:
Okay. I like that. But I I I wanna come back to something you said because I’ve been processing it in these last couple of minutes, Jeff, and it’s impacting me. And you said that we’ve already had a ripple even if we only had one breath. As or as soon as we had a breath, we’ve had a ripple. We’ve impacted someone or others. And I think for again, from a self awareness standpoint, I think a lot of us I’m raising my hand for those watching on video. A lot of us, me including me, don’t give ourselves enough credit, don’t have that self awareness that we’ve already had an impact.

Bernie Borges [00:06:46]:
I mean, I can just look at the fact that I’ve got 2 adult children, and they have children of their own, and they’re happily married, and they’re gainfully employed. And so, you know, there’s there’s some impact right there, not to mention others that I’m not gonna, you know, bore people with. But if I was to sit down and write them out, I probably would write a longer list than maybe I anticipated writing before beginning the exercise.

Jeff Nischwitz [00:07:12]:
Yeah. The word I wanna differentiate here because someone you know, end of year, a lot of people, people in my friend group, we have a lot of, you know, really thoughtful conversations. And end of year is a time to think about the past year and the coming year. And this was interesting because it just fed into this podcast discussion today. A friend recently said, what achievements in 2024 are you most proud of? And I struggled with that because of the word achievement. Because to me, that’s a word that I think there’s a trap. I think there’s a trap in that word achievement that also applies to legacy, that it’s gotta be this tangible thing that everybody knows about. And I do believe that some of us have that, some of us don’t, frankly.

Jeff Nischwitz [00:07:58]:
But it’s these little things that we don’t give ourselves credit for, and a lot of times we don’t know. And the invitation is to trust that we’re when we’re coming from the best place we know how, we’re having ripples and impact that we don’t wanna even know about. And and one last piece of that is so next question. A friend of mine, a good friend of mine, not a great friend, but a good friend, sent me a lovely text the week of, New Year’s. And he just said, you know, I was thinking about you, and I realized what an impact you’ve had on my life. I just realized how much how important you are to me, and you’ve really supported me in this past year, especially. And I and I’m so excited about our growing friendship. I did not realize I was having that impact on him.

Jeff Nischwitz [00:08:41]:
And because I got asked this achievement question within a few days of that, I here’s how I answered it. I said, you know, there’s a number of things I’m proud of, but the thing I think I’m most proud of in 2024 are the many ways and degrees and depth to which I loved on others, supported them, whether it was a conversation or a text or an email or something more tangible that I actually did. And that’s what I mean about how every moment that we’re here, we’re having this possibility of impact. And the last thing I’ll say is one of my practices, you talked about self awareness, is being present. And I know that when I’m really present with others, even if I’m not in their physical presence, there’s a gift in that that has a massive ripple. And, ultimately, these ripples accumulate into a tidal wave, And that’s what allows me to look at it and say, I think I’ve got a pretty I’ve created some legacy, and, I think I’m gonna I feel compelled to say this last thing here. It’s coming to me in the moment. A dear friend of mine told me when my mother passed away.

Jeff Nischwitz [00:09:49]:
He said, you know, a lot of groups say that we die 3 deaths. 1 is the moment our our body, our physical body ceases to breathe and exist. The second is when we have our celebration of life or our funeral, that recognition. But here’s the one. The third is the last time our name is spoken, and that feels like legacy to me. Mhmm. I mean, I guess people could take your name in vain for a long time. I don’t think that’s what they’re talking about.

Jeff Nischwitz [00:10:15]:
And I just I thought about that with my mom, and I think about that with people around me, and I think about that with myself. Mhmm. I I don’t think I’m gonna be forgotten for a long time, and that’s how you see.

Bernie Borges [00:10:28]:
Yeah. Once again, Jeff, you said a lot there that, reflecting on in the moment. I wanna come back to one of the points you made at the beginning of that thought, and that is we often when we think of the past year, for example, as you said, at the end of 2024, you think about achievements. And I think we’re kinda conditioned to think that way. And, I I love where you went with it instead of thinking about achievements, you know. I mean, I I read a fraction of your bio, Jeff. You’ve achieved a lot in your career. Right? As as as a professional, you have a lot of achievements, but you reflected on how you loved the impact that you had on people through loving them.

Bernie Borges [00:11:12]:
And I think that’s a sign of maturity. It’s a sign of just being a great human being, and, and it’s great self awareness. And I’m I’m just hoping that the listener notice how I speak of the listener as an individual. I do that very intentionally, by the way. I want my listener to know that. I don’t think of them as, like, a 1000000000 people listening. I think of 1 person at a time. Anyway, I digress.

Bernie Borges [00:11:36]:
For the listener, that’s a huge takeaway that I would encourage you to think about. You know? What’s the impact that you’re having on others through who you are as a human being? Put less pressure or pressure on ourselves about our achievements. Sure. We still have those aspirations, and that’s unique to each of each one of us depending on where we are in what stage of life. But I love where you went with that, Jeff, and I think it’s a really powerful lesson for all of us, myself included.

Jeff Nischwitz [00:12:06]:
I appreciate that, Bernie, and I I believe that really deeply because I’ve witnessed over the years in myself and in others, whether I’ve worked with them, known them, or friends, or even acquaintances, the pressure that we put on ourselves to create something tangible. Like, even the idea if in a traditional sense, one version of legacy is, you know, what’s your mission? What’s your life mission? Are you living this mission? And I and I teach mission to a lot of people. And so often, the thing that comes up is is, well, the people you’re talking about are bigger than me because you tend to talk about people that they can relate to who are on a national stage or an international stage. Say, wow. What a legacy. They go, I can’t do that. But the point is you don’t have to do that. The point is they touched lives, and they did so on a certain scale.

Jeff Nischwitz [00:12:54]:
So we’re talking about touching lives on whatever scale fits for you. And it’s not to say play small. It’s say play as big as you want, but under make sure you’re looking small so you can be grateful for what you have achieved while you continue to achieve more. And they use I’m a use a word we don’t use a lot. Bless yourself for what you’ve done while you challenge yourself to do even more.

Bernie Borges [00:13:20]:
Mhmm. Yeah. Yeah. For some reason, you remind me of a dear friend of mine. His name is Steve. Actually, he’s a childhood friend of mine, so he’s in our same age range. So I’ve known him for decades decades. And for as long as I’ve known him, he was, not only a fan of football, not like the NFL, but like the game, the sport.

Bernie Borges [00:13:42]:
So he coached football. He’s been coaching football for decades. And not long ago, he told me a story about how he’s heard from a few men who are probably in their thirties now, who reached out to him and just said, I just want you to know how you impacted me as a football coach. Because his approach was not just coaching the game, but coaching them as young boys, young men, and ethics and morals and approach to the game and sportsmanship and all the things that any parent would want a good coach to imbue on on their child. And, again, you know, the legacy, the impact that he has had, and that he said that’s just been immensely rewarding for him, It’s it’s exactly the impact he wanted to have, and for him to get that feedback unsolicited was just deeply meaningful and gratifying.

Jeff Nischwitz [00:14:38]:
It’s really fascinating that that’s the example used, Bernie, because my father my father has a pretty incredible legacy, and he’s not a perfect man. But he’s accomplishment wise, he’s got some big ones, including he played Major League Baseball. He owned his own business. He founded a nonprofit that’s very still making a difference. He he created a lot of things that are tangible. But I think his greatest legacy is very similar because part of his life, he spent 30 years coaching college baseball.

Bernie Borges [00:15:10]:
Mhmm.

Jeff Nischwitz [00:15:10]:
And that’s the same kind of thing his players talk about, and they write about it. They’ll post on social media, or they’ll tell me when I meet them. The the his truest legacy, I believe, is the impact he had on 30 years of these players. And I I guess I learned something along the way because when I was a young adult, like, had kids, and I started coaching, you know, youth baseball, the kindest card I ever got, and I didn’t get a lot of cards. Usually, a compliment was that the parents wanted their kids on my team the next year, and this is why. I and I still have this card. I have it somewhere. It still exists.

Jeff Nischwitz [00:15:47]:
The parents wrote me this note, and they said, we’re so glad that, I think it was John. John was on your team because you not only made him a better baseball player, you made him a better person. And I thought that’s exact and I told the parents, that’s my goal. Baseball comes and goes. Sports come and go. But if I can help touch someone through coaching, and I believe today, touch someone through a conversation, even a stranger, that makes something better in their life, that’s a hell of a legacy. And most of the time, I never know about it, and it took me a while to be at peace with that. For a long time, I needed to know because it was filling me up, and now I just trust.

Jeff Nischwitz [00:16:27]:
I’m not here to fill me. I’m here for I’m here to fill others.

Bernie Borges [00:16:30]:
Yeah. No. That’s great. So let’s let’s transition a little bit in the conversation, Jeff, and let’s connect this to leadership. You know, we’re both in that space, and we’re both passionate about it. You’ve written books. You know, you’ve got a whole company around it. So how should leaders be thinking about legacy holistically as we’ve been discussing?

Jeff Nischwitz [00:16:54]:
Well, it’s very, very similar, actually, because the thing that I think we’ve forgotten about in leadership there’s a lot of things, but 2 big ones are one is we are still in a stuck in a trap that believes that the concept of leadership is about positional leadership. So when I’m out teaching leadership, writing about leadership, speaking about leadership, coaching about leadership, I’m talking about the whole person, and this phrase that I came up with is I’m talking about leadership without position or permission. The idea that everybody is a truly is a leader. The question is whether you choose to lead or choose not to. So part of it is getting away from this organizational positional thought about leadership. We that has taken us down a road that’s not serving us, our teams, or organization, or our relationship, frankly. The other part is to to realize that leadership is about people, and I think that’s where we’re really confused because a lot of people in positions of leadership probably have a lot of skills and gifts around managing processes, but they don’t have the people skills. And that’s what leadership is to me.

Jeff Nischwitz [00:18:03]:
It’s about the people. And I think the one thing I would say in there, which gets to some of these ripples, are I believe that nearly every every human, and there’s probably some exceptions on the extremes, but nearly every human has an innate desire to feel seen, valued, and heard, and to know that they matter, including in their organization or on a team. And the the opportunity to give them that experience lies extensively with those who choose to claim their leadership. I’m not just saying the leader. And a lot of times, we’ve gotten so caught up in execution and efficiencies that we’re not slowing down enough simply to see people to I’m gonna use that word that we don’t use in business a lot, to bless them so that they feel seen, valued, heard, and know that they matter. Because I’m telling you, someone who comes to the workplace, for example, and has that experience, they take that into their life. And they may not getting that and they may not be getting that in their life, but they got a chance to get that in the workplace. And that’s I I just believe if if people like you and I and others can create really a tidal wave of different kinds of leaders who are empowering others, who are seeing others, who are blessing others, who are uplifting others into their own leadership, then it’s ripple on top of ripple on top of ripple.

Jeff Nischwitz [00:19:23]:
That’s how you build the momentum. It’s not my ripples that matter the most. It’s what ripples do I create through others. And in turn, think about the exponential tidal wave of people rippling through each other. That’s the visual that’s coming up for me.

Bernie Borges [00:19:39]:
Yeah. Well, I I I’ll get I’ll put a a visual to your visual, Jeff, and that’s the bowling pin metaphor. Right? Imagine you’re hitting the head bowling pin over and over and over and over and over again. Right? You’re reaching a lot of bowling pins, which is just a metaphor for people. So but that aside, metaphors aside, I’m gonna I’m gonna say yes, and to everything you just said. And the and that I will add is that and I talk about this in my fulfillment centric leadership framework, and that is leaders should encourage their people to embrace leadership. Because to your point, often, a lot of people don’t think of themselves as leaders. They don’t think of themselves as having even the opportunity to be a leader.

Bernie Borges [00:20:26]:
So if you take a typical work environment where you have an individual contributor who’s one of, I don’t know, I’m just gonna say 10 people on a team. Could be 20. Whatever the number is. So they may view themselves as an individual contributor, not as a leader, but the leader of that team should be encouraging their team to bring out their own leadership qualities within the context of not only their job, but just their interaction, their communication, their collaboration, their mentoring, just all aspects of interaction. And I don’t think that there’s enough of that in organizations where leaders are encouraging staff to be leaders. Kind of redefine, expand the meaning, the definition of leadership.

Jeff Nischwitz [00:21:12]:
Amen and hallelujah. That’s that’s, yeah, that’s where I’m at too. It’s I like I said, I called it a trap. And I think the trap is that we’ve got these steps. So you’re an individual contributor and then you might become a manager and then you might become a leader. And then you’ve got these sayings that keep us stuck. Like, oh, you you got, you know, too many cooks in the kitchen. You got too many managers.

Jeff Nischwitz [00:21:33]:
Here’s what I believe. You can have too many managers, but you can never have too many leaders because there’s something different about it. It’s not about those positions and responsibility and who’s giving orders. That’s not what it’s about. Who’s got each other’s back? Who’s lifting each other’s up? Each other up? Who is who’s scanning to see where the new opportunities are? How can we make things better, excluding amongst all of us? Let’s have everybody working on those things, not just this one person who’s been anointed the leader. That’s that’s just that’s decades old. Decade. We’re way past that.

Bernie Borges [00:22:08]:
Yeah. Yeah. So full circle then, we began this conversation around the the idea of legacy, and we had some really meaningful conversation around legacy that even just was was enlightening for me, Jeff, to sort of expand my thinking of legacy and, the fact that I’ve already had some legacy, but I’m just raising the bar individually. Personally speaking, that’s how I’m looking at it. But then we connected it to to leadership. So maybe as we get close to wrapping here, what what can we leave people with? Again, I I address the individual listener. Right? A listener might be a leader within an organization or might not be, or maybe they’re self employed, literally. You know, they’re their own boss, and they’re not leading other people.

Bernie Borges [00:22:55]:
But as we’ve been discussing, there are many definitions of leadership, many ways that we can be leaders in life. So what should we encourage people to think about as a result of the things that we’ve discussed here today?

Jeff Nischwitz [00:23:09]:
I think the thing that comes to me, and we we brushed this, by a couple things. But one of the things that really changed my life in the last 15 years is I didn’t even realize it. And so maybe this is something I’m sharing that others didn’t realize. I never thought about that. But I was living my life without a clear mission, without a sense of a clear purpose other than something really generic, like, I wanna be a good person and without core values. And those sound like corporate terms, but they apply to each one of us. I now do a lot of different iterations. I have a personal mission.

Jeff Nischwitz [00:23:46]:
My personal mission, I’m a just share it with you because I’ve it’s evolved over the years. But my personal mission is to create a world of hope, safety, and healing by modeling vulnerability, transparency, and unconditional love, which is nonjudgment. And I look at every day, I look through a lens. I say, how do I do on that today? Or if I’m making a decision, I go, okay. So what decision best aligns with my mission? I have 5 core values. You talked about your pillars. I have 5 core values that are part of my as how I review my day and also how I make decisions. So I would people encourage people to do a couple things.

Jeff Nischwitz [00:24:25]:
1 is give some thought to what is your mission, and it doesn’t have to be, I’m going to go change the world, but what kind of person are you gonna show up to be in your day to day interaction? If you don’t have core values, spend some time thinking about what are your core values that drive your decision. And then the one other thing I’d share because it it comes up so often is I have a lot of philosophies. Some are borrowed, some are my own, some are, adapted. But the one that I believe has most informed my leadership and has the most impact on my day to day and therefore on my legacy through those ripples is empowering our each one of us through our choices. We live in a highly victimized culture, and we don’t even realize it. Too often, we’re blaming circumstances and other people for what’s happened. And what I believe is that in every situation, 1000%, I always have a choice. I may not like the choices.

Jeff Nischwitz [00:25:26]:
They may not be easy chew choices, but I have choices. And to me, that is so empowering, so I never feel like I don’t have what I need. What’s the choice I’m gonna make? How am I gonna respond to this? How am I, what am I gonna do? What am I gonna think? What am I gonna say? What am I not going to say? So I would encourage people to think about the power of having choices even though your choices are different than mine and vice versa and everybody. But it even though we have different choices, we all have unlimited choice, and that what makes a difference every day, and nobody can take my choices away. But I can surrender them. So mission, purpose, core values, and embrace the power of choices every day.

Bernie Borges [00:26:08]:
Well, you said a lot there. You said a lot. So, I’ll I’ll give one remark, and then I’ll invite you to share with us so where people can connect with you and get into your world. In terms of mission and purpose, I share the fact that I I’ve spent many decades in my life without one. Just kinda doing life, you know, just the motions, the obvious things, raising the family, bringing in a paycheck to pay the mortgage and put food on the table, etcetera. But I’m at a point in my life where, I recently I don’t know if you saw that I posted on LinkedIn, my BHAG. BHAG is an acronym. I know you know what it what it means, but I’ll share it for the listener.

Bernie Borges [00:26:49]:
My big, hairy, audacious goal, that’s what BHAG is. It’s an acronym for big, hairy, audacious goal. My BHAG is to reach 3,000,000,000 people with the message of fulfillment through the 5 pillars because I think it makes it more manageable for people. And the way that I’m gonna do that is through the bowling pin metaphor that I shared earlier by reaching leaders through my leadership framework, fulfillment centric leadership. So that’s my personal mission, and that’s what I’m excited about. Even though I am the age that I am, if I die tomorrow, at least I put that down as a mission, and and hopefully someone can just pick up that torch and run with it, you know, kinda like Joshua did after Moses, you know, didn’t quite make it to the promised land. You

Jeff Nischwitz [00:27:35]:
know? Yeah.

Bernie Borges [00:27:36]:
Anyway, just so much there, Jeff. And, I’ll tell you what, we’re gonna continue the conversation, outside the recording. But I what I wanna do is just invite you to share with the listener little bit about where they can connect with you, anything you’ve got going on that you wanna mention, and and, just share that with us.

Jeff Nischwitz [00:27:56]:
Well, yeah. Thank you, Bernie. Thanks again for having me here today for this, really intimate open conversation. Luckily, my name is so different that it’s easy to find me. If you can if you’ve got my last name, I’m easy because it’s n I s c h w I t z, Jeff Nischwitz. I’m, like, on the first 20 pages when you Google that. There’s nobody else that’s got that present. So I’ve got a website, which is the nitschwitzgroup.com.

Jeff Nischwitz [00:28:24]:
I’m on all I’m on Facebook. I’m on LinkedIn, on Instagram. If you got that name, you can find me there. I’ve got a YouTube channel. I will say this. I’m pretty excited about it. A few years ago, I started doing mostly daily, not always daily video, and, tomorrow, I’m gonna hit 1,000. And somehow that’s just like people say, how did you do that? And I said, well, I did 1 and then I did 2, and I just kept doing I just kept doing 1.

Jeff Nischwitz [00:28:51]:
I didn’t do a 1,000. I just kept doing 1, and that’s an important lesson as well. So, yeah, that’s how you find me, and, I will say this. Another way to find me is if you’re in the Tampa Bay area, hang out the cigar bars because I’m often I can often be found there doing the ultra chill as I call it.

Bernie Borges [00:29:11]:
Alright. Well, we’ll have to do that. We haven’t put that on the calendar yet because, as you know, I’m in the Tampa Bay area, so we’re we’re gonna make that happen. Well, Jeff, your, your website and all those, details are gonna be linked up in the show notes. My listener knows that. And I just wanna thank you for joining me today on a maximum episode of the Midlife Fulfill podcast. This topic of legacy and self awareness and mission and purpose, it’s it’s a very, very meaningful topic. And, we’ll we’ll continue the conversation, both in the podcast and offline, probably over a cigar and a glass of wine.

Jeff Nischwitz [00:29:49]:
Thanks, Bernie.

Bernie Borges [00:29:50]:
Thanks, Jeff.

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